Season 2018-2019

My Friends please look at the new 2018/9 program under "Calendar"

Following this introduction are the monthly reports of our members meeting in "latest first!" order  

On Thursday  Sept 13thMr Chris Green of Artic Circle will present a talk on

" Storing Waste Heat Under Car Parks"

Interested  - Come along !

To be Up dated after each meeting  

Following this introduction are the monthly reports of our 2017/8 members meetings in "latest first!" order

          We regret to announce that founder member of this Society Phill Stark passed away late October 2017    May He Rest in Peace

 We are a society of active refrigeration engineers with "hands on experience" , with a history going back 50 years; we meet socially during the cooler months for updates in technology, legislation and information on associated products.

Our current Venue is in South East London at The GREENWICH TAVERN , 1 King William Walk , Greenwich, SE10 9JH

We meet on the second Thursday iof the month from September to April from  7.30 till 9.30pm. The format of the evening is a speaker with Q&As to 8.30pm , society business / issues on sites / Technical Advice / social chat till 9 or 9.30pm. It is very informal, but if you visit our site you will see the calibre of speakers we attract. A great society for your staff to belong to.

We would like to invite you , your technicians, your trainees, and your managers to come and join us; you might find you will enjoy it as well as learn something !  Below I have attached a brief history and contact details, please call us if you have any questions.

A Brief History

The LRS was formed in the 1960's following the demise of the "Refrigeration Serviceman's Association". Its aims are to help engineers keep abreast of the latest developments in air conditioning and refrigeration. As the gasses Carbon Dioxide, Methyl Chloride, Sulphur Dioxide and Ammonia fell from grace, the wonders of those great "non smelly" "non flammable" and "totally safe" R12 and R22 compounds came into common use and our membership grew.    

The Society members in 1969 funded and organised the 1st "London Refrigeration Exhibition" at the White City Dog Track, which showed mainly components, then in '71 complete systems were displayed. In 1973 the Venue moved to Heston just off the new M4 where the British Refrigeration Industry and Hevac had their headquarters.

In 1975 it, like "topsy", had grown and with our very good friend Terry O'Gorman who was editor of the RAC magazine. Wembley Arena was taken over for the show area. As it was now a very successful (but time consuming biannual event), our dedicated committee members agreed that the "RAC magazine" took over the complete organisation and gave us joint sponsorship donations to assist our running expenses. In later years, the venue moved to The Agricultural Halls in Westminster.      All of these shows were great places to meet with competitors, and late nights in the west end of London were often the bonus of the successful shows.

We see that in the 100th Volume of RAC magazine in May 1998 a long article including photos of the show committee gave the LRS full credit for beginning this trade show, and we today must thank our predecessors for our heritage.

We are still "hands on" engineering folk interested in furthering our knowledge in Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Practices, and are affiliated to the Institute of Refrigeration.

Today the Society's committee still arranges eight "out of season" monthly meetings where we invite others with skills and information on "latest refrigeration developments, gas and oils, rules codes and practices, training, and health and safety regulations etc", to share their knowledge through discussion and open forum.

Our meetings are held on the second Thursday of the month, September through to April, and anybody within striking distance at 7.30pm can attend for just £15 pa. (or just receive our monthly emailed reports on the previous month's discussions)

We have supported the  RAC shows since their start up by our predecessors way back in the 1960's.  We have had exhibition stands where many new contacts are made and old faithful friendships are renewed, which seem to be a foundation of this great industry.

We hope, through the keenness of new comers to the trade, we will still be around for another 50 years, helping to pass on our knowledge, and encouraging suppliers and manufacturers to share their expertise / developments with the active guys at the sharp end!

CONTACT :

Ron Filer  (Hon Treasurer)                                       Brendan O’Reilly

91 Herongate Road                                                    c/o Blygold UK Ltd

Wanstead                                                                      Unit 1A, Corinium Ind Est., Raans Road,

London                                                                           Amersham,  Bucks.,

E12 5EH                                                                           HP6 6YJ

Phone:(home)   020 8989 7815                              01895 259346  Mob 07876 654319

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Meeting notes on Thursday March 8th at Greenwich

We met with Blue Diamond Condensate Pumps

Full report will follow but their contacts and web site follows

UK-  BlueDiamond Pumps                                                                                                          

Royston Road, Byfleet, Surrey, KT14 7NY

tel: +0044 (0) 1932 355277   fax: +0044 (0) 1932 351285  mob: 0044 (0) 7392087272

e-mail: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.       web: www.bluediamondpump.com

 https://www.bluediamondpump.co.uk/home  

Meeting on  Thursday Feb 8th   Joint meeting with the Institute of Refrigeration at the South Bank University Campus

 Regretfully our December 2017 meeting has had to be cancelled at short notice  therefore our next meeting will be in 2018  Please attend if able 

Dear friends of The London Refrigeration Society

Follows the report on Thu 9th Nov meeting    other Notes follow. please read on

Regretfully only 7 members attended our November meeting  to welcome

Mr Shane Leather from Armstrong Fluid Technology, a company

based in Manchester, Birmingham and London

"Armstongs" (not related to the insulation company of the similar name)  manufacture a comprehensive range of pumps,  pump control systems and Packaged Plant Rooms for the HVAC Industry.

            Shane explained that one of the main considerations within the HVAC is energy saving and carbon footprint reduction and well as the obvious cost factor. His presentation covered how traditional methods of pump selection and installation are now being challenged by more energy efficient and cost- effective pump selections, methods of installation and control strategies.

     Armstrong have just released to the HVAC market place their new Tango Twin pump,

         Shane explained to the guys present how Armstrong are challenging the conventional thinking and installation methods in the arena of parallel pumps and multiple pumping systems.

      By trying to move the consensus away from the traditional duty/standby scenario plus 15% safety margins being added on to the pump duties; to a more energy efficient installation of smaller pumps sharing a proportion of the load. This results in smaller pumps being installed, leading to a reduction in the size, weight and energy consumption of the electrical installation.        This also has a reduction in the carbon footprint of the installation of the pumps; This is due to the Armstrong's vertical in line method of mounting the pumps which does away  with heavy concrete inertia bases.      

    Armstrong’s manufacturing processes and the dynamic balancing of the pump impeller, combined with the pump body design allow Armstrong pumps of up to 450 kw. to be suspended within the pipework installation.

    This led into a discussion regarding pump redundancy and how smaller Armstrong pumps can actually increase the level of redundancy and maintain heating and cooling levels in the event of one of the pumps failing in the system.         

    This is due to the Armstrong strategy of selecting pumps to be at their most efficient at part load as opposed to theoretical full load.   Shane explained to us that typically buildings only reach full design load 5 or 6 days a year, while for approximately 60% of the year the plant is normally operating at 40-60% capacity of the installed HVAC plant. 

     It makes more sense to select a pump to be at its most efficient where it spends most of its working life.

The presentation moved on to the built in control strategy and Shane demonstrated that the Armstrong staged parallel pump control can save up to 36% in electrical running costs over a standard BMS controlled parallel pumping system.     This combined with the installation cost savings and low maintenance costs give Armstrong the grounds to claim that their pumps have the lowest whole life costs for HVAC chilled LTHW pumps currently available. 

      Full built in Electronics and remote internet control can anticipate many potential problems even gland leaks!

Armstrong also manufacture at their Halesowen (Birmingham) plant a comprehensive range of Packaged Plant Rooms specialising in chilled water and multiple boiler systems, modular packaged plant rooms for standalone buildings and district energy networks.

The talk generated much discussion from our members and we recommend you look at the benefits on their website www.armstrongfluidtechnology.c om . Shane can be contacted via 07896 691673  or sleather@armstrongfluidtechnol ogy.com  or post to "Armstrong Fluid Technology", 1 Wenlock Way,   Manchester,    M11 2ET.

  Long Serving member Phill Stark's cremation service is on 17th November at 1.30pm at East Hampstead Crematoruium: Bracknell: RG40 3DW   we agreed to send £50 to the charity “Crisis at Christmas” in his memory.

Our  December Meeting    Unfortunately we cannot meet at Greenwich but kindly Shane offered hospitably premises at their offices on Thursday 14^th December open at 7pm for a prompt 7.30 start @ The Adams Room

           We welcome you all to attend   The address so you can look it up is; 10 Fitzroy Square  London  W1T 5HP Please meet up there for the final meeting of 2017

 Warren Street Tube Station (Northern Line) is 150 yards away and there are numerous pubs around if you all wish to meet for a beer beforehand or afterwards.

14th Dec.   "Teslamiser – continuity of cooling for Data Centres”

Mr Tim Mitchell  of  Klimatherm

Report on Meeting held Thursday 12^th Oct 2017

We welcomed Mr Richard Betts of RABScreen, a company based in Newbury, who provide the RABScreen washable air intake filter for Condensers and Air Handling units etc.

Richard explained that in every environment where there is air movement, e.g. chillers, cooling towers, air handling units etc, this air movement carries with it lightweight debris such as seeds, pollen, insects and leaves.

This in turn is drawn through the finning of condensers and the air filters provided in duct work.

The efficiency of plant is dramatically reduced and the cost of power rises too. 1mm of dust reduces efficiency of cooling condensers by 21% and can increase running costs by as much as 35%.

A RABScreen prevents this debris from being drawn into the air intake due to its inherently electrostatic properties.

This RABScreen is a flexible polyester and polypropylene mesh which can be made to any size or shape required which a multiplicity of fixing designs including magnets, drop tab fixings and the new KEDER profile.

The media is an engineered mesh using polyester and polypropylene. Polyester is negatively charged and polypropylene is positively charged which means that any air movement excites the mesh to create an electrostatic charge.

RABScreen filter mesh can be cleaned without removal by using a hose, vacuum or brush taking care not to push the debris through the filter. If using nitrogen or high-pressure water jetting this must be done from the fan side to drive debris through the coil and filter.

To minimise downtime a second set of filters could be used to allow the maintenance engineer to remove and wash one set whilst maintain optimum filtration with the second set. This is particularly relevant to high end production lines where any downtime can be costly.

RABScreen also produce what Richard called the ‘Air Net which is a circular filter that fits over the air intake fan guards. These filters use an elasticated or draw string border to make them quick and easy to remove and replace.

It is estimated that there are 47,000 chillers rated at 250Kw & above in the UK. Add to this figure the smaller cooling plant, condensers and individual cabinets on shop floors and you can see that a significant amount of energy is wasted by compacted coils. RABScreen filters have a typical ROI of 3-6 months on energy alone and can also significantly reduce labour cost, chemical use and filter changes 

The talk generated much discussion from our members and we recommend you look at the benefits on the website www.rabcreens.com . Richard can be contacted on 0800 999 5750 or  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  

 Report  on London Refrigeration Society meeting September 14^th 2017 

13 members 2 guests and our Speaker attended the first meeting of the season at The Greenwich Tavern

We welcomed Mr Z Ure of ECO MESH who gave a very descriptive presentation on Improving the efficiency of roof top condensers when subject to high ambient temperatures through poor circulation due to “protective” screens and close installation of other condensers and buildings.

Descriptive visual screen shots of installations at home and abroad were explained (which can be viewed via www.ecomesh.eu ) 

The history of this is based on hot countries hanging damp hessian across windows to cool incoming air!

Basically the “AIR OFF “ of one condenser is trapped or recirculated by drafts or by adjacent installations. This heated air is induced into the “AIR ON” causing excessive head pressures and failures.

Ecomesh solution is to install triple layer “curtains” approx. 500mm from the air on fins of the condenser and spraying electronically controlled untreated mains water onto the mesh.   This Adiabatic system cools the “air on” when demanded; its mesh also traps dust, leaves, etc from fouling the coils. And in Winter snow conditions raises air on temperatures too!

Traditional emergency solutions are to put a garden spray onto the condensers - but this causes Salts, Verdigris, etc to foul the condensing areas giving expensive maintenance problems.  By electronically regulating the water flow as demanded by air on sensing – water consumption can be 75% reduced and when in use up to 25- 30%  greater efficiency achieved in the Cooling system.

These screens are installed by the end user contractor. Installations include Sainsbury, Tesco, Morrison,  Asda and many companies  overseas.

Please look up their website if you clients suffer this common problem on ever increasing crowded roof space. I’m sure Ecomesh will be pleased to advise 

Ron Filer 

Minutes of the final meeting of the 2016/7 season which was held on Thursday April 13th  

when 16 of us gathered at Farringdon Underground station for our now traditional London walk.

       Stan Medland our guide led us past many public houses overflowing with drinking office workers spilling out onto the pavements of old London outside the city walls. Walking around Spittlefields, Barts Hospital, Smithfield Market and centuries old churches. Schools museums and monasteries, then passing the excavation sites of Cross Rail Railway construction.  walking many roads and back ways I had never visited before. Very interesting and full of details to keep us entertained for 2 hours. We finished at a noisy hostelry for a end  of season drink.

    ( Look out for our next season's program resuming in September, which hopefully will magically appear due to the dedicated work of " BK " This is now published on our Calendar Page)

Minutes of London Refrigeration Society meeting on March 9^th 2017

13 members welcomed Mike, Tim and Rob from Gree UK who presented their companies history and plans for the future.

Gree UK are based in Wimbledon SW19 and the parent company is the largest A/C company in the world. Their Chinese Hong Kong, owned Company have depots in 200+ countries. Their 70,000 employees design, manufacture and service all the components in their systems. The 2 stage Compressors used in their systems are  Hitatchi and there are currently around 5.5 million Industrial and 60 million residential units

Their systems are fully fitted with inverters and diagnostic logic to commission and fault find these 7 year guaranteed systems.  These are sold to contractors who have undertaken and passed Gree’s installation courses

Built in to their control logic is Sola Panel Power generation technology; Converting from DC to AC  which will, in milli seconds select best power saving be it mains or free sola energy.  If the sola energy is over generating, feed surplus back into the grid system or divert into over battery storage! It was stated that Sola panels are light (not necessarly sun) generated and efficiency is reduced in ambient over 50C as are dirty panels etc .   Systems are built to work and tested in ambient temperatures of -28 to +30 C - Gas used is r410a

Graphs were shown which indicated the steep use of sola power uptake since 2006 in GB also the many quality Certification awards Gree have from around the world

Heat pumps too are part of their AC industry and Air to Air systems are preferred as ground source heat extraction very expensive to build in to refits. 

Gree Technical support can easily be found via www.gree.uk.com   020 3376 3533 or email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

 Minutes of Meeting for February 9th 2017

Minutes for January 2017

The first snow of 2017 arrived  and so did  9 members who braved  it to the Greenwich Tavern 

As did our speaker

Mr Barry  Morris of  “ Chalmor – Experts in Energy Saving Lighting and Heating”

Who gave a most informative and interesting talk and presentation on their 35 years of expertise!

Concentrating on Schools Warehouses and Hospital etc Barry explained how technology has improved in savings on capital costs and energy consumption. Also how zonal control of unoccupied areas can either be dimmed or switched off automatically easily

Explaining how shops and show rooms demand good lighting levels but with technology colour LEDs can give enhanced white light or warm feeling illumination at reduced costs to traditional Fluorescent lighting.

There are grants, business loans and incentives to meet legislation on fuel economy and carbon emissions.  Chalmor are well respected to produce competitive quotes showing alternative solutions to suit budgets and pay back demands.

Barry said that badly installed LED lighting can produce Glare, Migraines, and poor product illumination .  Chalmor do not install but their quotes on design and product selection includes their well trusted installation partner companies: or customers can use their own trusted companies

Chalmor can be contacted by visiting www.chalmor.co.uk  their HQ is in Luton, Beds and phone contact is 01582 748700  or call Director Barry direct  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Mob 07967 192899          

  If you or your contacts are interested please mention the LRS 

London Refrigeration Society minutes of 8th December 2016

London Refrigeration Society minutes of 10th November 2016

    The Information provided on Alan's presentattion has been made available in a DropBox - please follow this link if  you can www.ecocooling.org or visit Evaporative Cooling

On Thursday 8^th September 2016;

15 of our members met at the Greenwich Tavern for the first meeting after the summer break.  We welcomed Mr Luke Jones of Air Flow who presented their range of fans from 6” window mounted units to major air handling systems

Luke moved on to explain why we need ventilation, we all need to breath ‘fresh air’ and as humans we all exhale a lot of moisture, we need the air changed regularly to maintain a reasonably dry environment both for our own health and for the environment as it limits the growth of mould and fungus's

MVHR (Mechanical Ventilation with Heat Recovery) was now presented as a heat exchange unit which provides fresh air at a temperature approaching that of the conditioned space either as backup for the heating or cooling systems or as the main source.  The air is filtered coarsely to stop bricks and bugs, both in and out of the building with an additional #7 grade (Virtually Heppa) screen to limit spores, micro organisms and fine dust into the conditioned space.

The unit will cut off if the air passage becomes restricted with blocked filters and the integral controller will send a signal to the user/owner/maintenance and to Airflows office where it is monitored it to ensure it is cleaned.

Additional components that can be supplied include duct heaters or coolers to temper the air supply to give the desired conditions.  A ‘Summer Bypass’ allows the filtered air to miss the heat exchanger and give free heat/ cooling where the external ambient is closer to the desired conditions than the exhaust air.

Selection is based on maximum occupancy with 2 or more speed fans to minimise energy consumption.

With the European regulations all energy consuming products have to be rated, A to F dependant on the normal operations consumption.  The regulation is not policed but Air Flow thinks it should be complied with and DEFRA would be the ideal body the administer it.

A need has been identified to stress the requirement of ventilation in domestic dwellings and for this to be considered at an early stage in all new developments.

Many large engineering companies produce ventilation products as an addition to their main portfolio while Air Flow specialist in ventilation with only one or two other major players in the same discipline trying to police the whole industry.

The European Regulation also requires all buildings to be given an A to F rating, again with A as the best.

Germany has adopted a ’Passive Building’ approach where there is minimal interaction with the outside environment; with a required efficiency of 75% whilst minimising energy consumption and cost.  This means the air tightness must be very high which means internal ventilation is required with efficient heat transfer.

Crossover heat transfer units previously used gave poor thermal efficiency, better were the thermal wheels which gave lower pressure drops or used less energy with a reasonable Thermal Efficiency but gave cross contamination between the air flows.

The option just presented is the Counter Cross Flow unit which works like two cross flow units feeding each other so that there is no contact between the two airflows.

The fans are Electronically Commutator (EC) controlled as opposed to AC (alternating current) the EC fans are fixed speed, set by the manufacturer and are completely sealed.  (EC motors are brushless DC motors with external electronics. The rotor contains permanent magnets and the stator has a set of fixed windings. A circuit board continually switches the phases in the fixed windings to keep the motor turning. Because the speed of the motor is controlled by the commutation electronics, these motors are not limited to synchronous speeds. Appliance design)

Integral CO2 and H2O sensors are provided to allow ‘boost’ when required which is useful for areas with intermittent use, Kitchens, Offices or Schools.

In multiple or varied use buildings either individual units can be supplied for each area or one or more major unit ducted throughout with damper control  managed by a BMS function which can be set up to be monitored remotely by ‘phone; tablet of PC.

To give an idea of the cost a four bedroom with a central unit, fully ducted would cost around £4,000.

A ducted system usually aims to have the supply in one corner of a dry room and extract from a wet one (Bathroom/Kitchen/Shower/WC) with undercut door or similar.  The external intake and discharge are designed to be at least ½m apart but preferably on different building faces.

After our usual “half time tea break” Luke answered many varied questions. Our Chairman warmly thanked Peter and presented him with “full bottle” as a small token of appreciation.

During the general conversation that followed Lee raised the question of domestic A/C stating ‘Do not buy cheap because of the noise nuisance which may be present.  The main causes are

A               The sound of running water caused by the liquid refrigerant trickling into the evaporator.

B               Condensate pumps               they are never quiet

C               Fan noise the on/off causes nuisance.

Remedies include  

external mounting avoiding other dwellings,               gravity drain condensate                acoustic insulation and possibly more.

If you have a question of these about air movement and fans please look up their comprehensive web site www.airflow.com or email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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Our meeting in February was a belated Christmas meal by our regular members and partners, a pleasant event with 30 attending the Greenwich Tavern.

Welcome to our January 2015  minutes

12 members and 6 guests attended for a presentation by Chris Alexander ofVulcan Lokringon Pipe jointing and leak detection.

Chair: Malcolm Lay and as ever our thanks to our Meetings Organiser: Brendan O’Reilly who with our treasurer were unavoidably absent

A group of visitors from J&E Hall were welcomed and Chris began with a brief Introduction of the Vulcan Lokring Company who have been agents for this system in England for over twenty five years, some of the older members remembering a previous presentation by Chris’s predecessor.

Using video presentations we saw that the Lokring system is not restricted to just air-conditioning and refrigeration but is used in any gas or fluid industry including automotives as being a mechanical pipe jointing system no ‘Hot Work’ or other safe working restrictions apply. With a tag line of ‘one system – endless possibilities’ it is distributed worldwide and used throughout domestic, commercial and industrial organisations.

Loctite is used as a lubricant for the joints but it is a compression fitting applied with a manual crimping tool which compresses the specialised fitting axially so that it is deformed by a collar sliding along the inner part to seal it into and onto the outside of the pipes that forms and seals the joint.

The range of pipe sizes, copper or aluminium, the system covers is split between the mainly domestic, covering 1.6mmØ to 11mmØ with some of the fittings specially suited to joining capillaries into standard pipe, and a larger range called the 50 series where the crimper compresses eachside of the joint to the pipe in turn which covers the range 5mmØ to 35mmØ. Onlargersizestheinternalboreofthepipework can be slightly reduced but on capillary lines, due to the thickness of the tube wall, this does not happen.

Each range has a mechanical crimper which was demonstrated with interchangeable jaws for each size of joint, and with the 50 series having a swivel jawed version for restricted access.

Also shown were display cases to illustrate the versatility of the fittings and the sizes of the pipe to be connected.

Comments were made about aluminium fittings which are rated at a higher pressure now 50bar - up from 25bar, also stressing the need to use different tools to those for copper and aluminium to avoid contaminating one with the other and so introducing corrosion.

A protecting shrink wrap sleeve was shown to cover fittings when of a dissimilar metal to the pipework for a similar effect.

It was pointed out that the use of aluminium pipe in a refrigeration systemcancausesimilar problems as most components are of different metals.

Following our liquid refreshment interval aVideo presentationon electronicleak detection was played stressing the difference between detecting with Nitrogen, Helium or Hydrogen; the former having been used for some time, whilst the latter with their smaller molecules, improves response could be better.

Inflating tyres with Nitrogen, which is formed of larger molecules, which therefore leaks more slowly, is another indication of this.

If using Nitrogen as the trace gas a system pressure up to 50bar may exceed the working pressure of some of the components; whereas using hydrogen the pressure canbelimitedtobetween7and10barwithleaks still beingdetectable,eventhrough insulation. This lower test pressure is also a safety feature reducing the ‘blowing out’ or shattering of sight glasses.

The video continued with a demonstration of a compressor replacement on a domestic system utilising the Locring fittings but it was marred by the poor or illegal practice of dumping the charge out the window!

ThespeakerexhibitedaLeakdetectingdevice, whichselfcalibratestothelevelof Atmospheric Hydrogen; this was demonstrated by the use of a hydrogen filled balloon which gave a leak reading for the hydrogen escaping through the rubber. This system had been used to trace oil leaks from Varon transmissions, the casings of which are extremely thin walled aluminium castings.

 Finally, products of Refrigeration Technologies, whom Vulcan Locring are agents, were presented including joint sealant called NYLOC which is used on mateing surfaces of a flare as it is both a sealant and a lubricant. It has been used to cure nut splitting caused by condensation tracking and then freezing. A third video was downloaded from the internet on NYLOC showing how it allows dismantling of gaskets, ‘O’ rings and Schrader valves.

 NYLOC is available through selected wholesalers in two types for use with either Esta or Hydrocarbon oil using systems.

 Their web site is www.vulcan.com and Chris can be contacted on This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

 Our meeting in February has no speaker and our regular meeting members have opted for a meal at a local hostelry

  Our March meeting is planned at the Greenwich Tavern on Thursday Mar. 10th starting at 7.30p

"The problems with cooling surgical units in Ethiopia " by Dr Helen Fitzgerald

Welcome to our November 12th 2015 minutes

14 attended to hear our speaker  Mr Glan Blake Thomas of Flexiblespace.com (based in East Grinstead) who gave a most interesting talk on

“Under floor Heating and Air Conditioning” but of course it was a much deeper subject than it first appeared!      Glan highlighted that in 1860 there were 1 billion humans on earth   1950 there were 3 Billion  and in 2100  there will be 7 Billion      Also in Madagascar the population discard 300 times their body weight in rubbish per year.  Whilst in Europe each person’s equivalent dump is 1500 times, but in America a massive 4500 times obviously these figures indicate that the world is wasteful and its resources are not infinite. 

New buildings around the world demand Power in the form of Heating, Air Conditioning and for Computing and just living. Where does it come from?  New builds are conceived as perfect, but the second tenant revamps, meaning walls power etc are in the wrong place – its very costly and time consuming refiting using “standard methods” as current standards are solid floors, and ductwork across ceilings; with a/c units in external walls etc 

 Glan’s company have conceived many large buildings around the world such as Beijing, Kuwait, Shanghai, London etc all with floor voids which contain the air flow and return systems, power for desks, water and drainage, for all users vending machines, catering etc.

The square grid walking surfaces protecting the services can be of wood, stone carpet or any other customers finish each which can be lifted and services accessed and repositioned speedily. 

 Air terminals in the floor are individually programmed from phones etc to give local comfort. Internal walls can be moved easily along with services, very speedily and without major reconstruction of the fabric of the bulding.

 By doing away with 600mm ceiling voids and just using the floor void, costs are reduced, as is the total height of floors. In Hong Kong with out sacrificing quality, the original ceiling based design proposed building to be 387m high but with underfloor systems it was built at 352m giving around 10% cost and material saving, more flexibility, less solar gain and reduced elevator power etc etc 

 I’m sure this is the way to go in the future (think of ease of over spill air from Multideck cabinets being entrained into the floor eliminating cold isles in supermarkets) New store layouts without dedicated floor chasings. Flexiblespace have already made 3 stores for Marks and Spencer for example. 

 Go on line check out the logic, www.flexiblespace.com, tell your contacts, mention you heard of it at the LRS.   Friends you missed a very interesting meeting.

 Contact    Glan Blake Thomas This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.   or   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

  201/3 London Road, East Grinstead, West Sussex, RH191HA              phone  01342310400

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Report on LRS meeting of Oct 8^th 2015

As ever most arrived early to have a meal together and discus the topics of the day

Regretfully our planned speaker Mr Neil  Panting of Fujitsu  was unable to attend at the last minute so emergency plans kicked in where our treasurer presented our accounts for the previous session for the members comments. Thanks were expressed for looking after the books which show a deficit on the year of £434.12 this still leaves the society of a healthy balance thanks to the wisdom of our founders way back in the 1950’s; when they set up an income from the exhibitions. But unfortunately due to exhibition shrinkage and change of owners this funding has dried up. Active membership too has shrunk although our mailing list remains valid.

 New member Zabar has set us up with a Face book and Twitter account. Look them up and pass on the message that London refrigeration Society is alive and well.

It was suggested that we try to set up a “Networking Café” where local trades associated with refrigeration are invite to meet in an informal atmosphere to exchange contacts and feeds! Don’t know if I have put this right but Lee will investigate contact listings from around a 30 mile radius of Greenwich and report back.

We spent some time mulling over 30 quiz questions whilst the usual liquid refreshments were devoured!

 On Thursday November 12^th we have the 3^rd meeting of this season where  “Under-floor Air-Conditioning Technology” will be presented by Glan Blake of Advanced Ergonomic Technologies  sounds interesting    See you all at the Greenwich Tavern by 7.30pm on the 12^th

September 10th  2015 minutes

"Life After R404A - planning for the phase down with low GWP Alternative"  Mark Hughes - Opteon Refrigerants

We were very pleased to welcome 14 engineers to The Greenwich Tavern, (most came early to chat and eat before ascending the stairs to the comfortable upper room for our meeting!  

Mr Martyn Sentence of BOC introduced our speaker Mark Hughes Business Manager of “CHEMOURS” which means “CHEMICAL and OURS” - There is 200 years of experience in the trade with Dupont - now with 6000 employees, and 5000 customers. Their declaration is to plough all profits back into the industry not to buy up other companies! (of the type DuPont did)

Mark gave a very informative talk and visual display of Gasses of the Future or how does the phase down of HFC's affect everybody from Designer, End User and installation Engineer.

Their product gasses OPTEON (XP40) are retrofit for Stationary - OPTEON (XP44) for Transport Refrigeration Systems and XP10 for R134a replacements - all obviously have low GWP potential.

Regulations on Global Warming are getting tighter and slowly being recognized around the world at last.

Phase down of HFC production to a CO2 equivalent is on line.

The quotas available to place on the market are based on average sales between 2009 and 2012 and these were equal to 183 MILLION TONS of CO2 in 2015: which consists of all HFCs used for new installation and to service leakage to atmosphere.   And by end of 2017 this must be reduced by a further 37% and then year by year reducing further. So good planning now is urgent for Endusers Designers and Engineers. We must continue to emphasize that Legislation,  more Energy Efficiency, less Global Warming, and the Increase prices of supplies are inevitable!

CHEMOURS refrigerant range of OPTEON gasses are true drop in replacements and meet the above reduction levels, obviously thorough evacuation is essential, but save the pumped out charge for reuse!! (not quite certain this is legal- OK if the product is either returned to distributor for reclamation or used directly as recycled product by the end user it came from ) and NO MIXING of refrigerants can be undertaken on topping up systems. Oils are reusable in replaced systems.

Booklet guides from the addresses below are available and by searching the web for full DUPREX calculations and software to download for free data and guidance.

 WARNINGS Use Oxygen monitors in leak conditions - re breathing in contaminated air . Do not use open flames. And during new installation if you detect a visible change in the size or colour of a flame when brazing to repair equipment STOP work and leave the area immediately! Ventilate thoroughly!

(Not sure that Mark commented on this but its in their guidance notes!!? )

With our usual delivery of half time drinks, questions and chat followed this presentation  (which this report does insufficient justice to the host of data so keenly given)

So please check out the following for more detail 

Contacts

 Mark Hughes mobile 07785925556 This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.   and  web www.opteon.com

 The Chemours Company, Windham Road, Chilton Industrial Estate Sudbury CO10 2XD

Martyn Sentance BOC Refrigerants Mob: 07785517097 This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

On Thursday 12th March 2015

 Our thanks to Keith Sweatman of Airedale who at our March meeting gave a very informative talk on F Gas new regulations: his companies history and their latest “CO2 Efficient Chiller Systems”

The gas of the future is R1234ze , along with the “TorboCor” compressor which is oil and bearing free!  This is Airedales future for their air conditioning plant to emerge from their brand new state of the art factory in Leeds.

  The “TorboCor” compressor is heavily dependant on electronics which controls the output, speed, “bearing suspension location” and leak detection system. These units come in modules from 3Kw to 2Mw  (which are 13m long!)

  The self-contained systems also have panel style condensers and EBM fans, which deliver chilled water for the customer’s requirements.

  As we should all know R134a has a legal limited life from 2020 and Airedale see “Hydro Fluoro Olefins” as their future.  R134a has a Global Warming Potential of 1430 whilst R1234ze has a rating of only 7GWP!  (note R23 has a GWP of 14800!)

  The lifespan of released gasses are revealing too 134a takes 13.4 years whilst R1234ze is 10 days!

  Although flammable Hydro Fluoro Olefins have a low grade heat/flame potential so these gasses automatically satisfy BREEM Standards

  May we remind you too that all name plates on plant must be marked visibly and indelibly with the refrigerant gas type, charge, weight in equivalent tonnes of CO2 and  this  label must be in the members language!  This must also be include in the instruction manuals for each system.

  Keith then answered varied questions after and during his presentation. from our 15 members present on the night

  Contacts: for Airdale

 Airedales Web site is www.airedale.com       And Keith:-  Southern Area Senior Sales Manager can be contacted via This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

On Thursday 12 Feb 2015  We met to hear an excellent discussion presented by Mr Roger Smith of Agas.

 13 members attended the Greenwich Tavern where, Mr Roger Smith of “A Gas” informed and entertained us with his interpretation of the latest and future regulations.

       All of you obviously know that to buy or use refrigerants you and your company MUST be registered with Refcom, Bureau Veritas or Quidos, your gas supplier will only supply when your company and you have been verified.

      Gas weights used, decanted or recycled have to be logged in the site log book and the owner must sign for work done at the time of action!. Also refrigerant intended to be destroyed or cleaned has to be recorded on the appropriate Waste Disposal form, with Weight, System ID and Company/Operative ID at the time of decanting from the system.

       The future of F Gas legislation is still unknown but we do know that the volume of Global Warming Potential gasses must dramatically reduce year by year! This can be done by replacing old systems with cleaner substitutes so that by 2030 the Total Value of GWP brought into the country is approximately 20% current levels.

       Tied in with the volumes of GWP gases in each system legally defines maintenance and leak checking frequencies, 6 months seems to be the time intervals for larger systems. So are we informing our customer / owners of future changes that gasses may/ will have to be changed and the rising cost of increased maintenance and new F Gas purchase?

       A Gas have a free app called GTO (gas track on line) which is easily downloaded to you mobile which calculates the GWP for a system. This App can also be used to record and track your gas usage / Disposal.

       By 2017 it is a legal requirement to permanently label each system with charge type and weight and leak checking frequency. This is the installers responsibility, but on existing systems YOU the maintenance company have to ensure each system complies.

       Domestic units, when purchased the shops “Currys” etc record the units details and at their disposal if found abounded units can be back tracked and dumping fines imposed!! Therefor when buying new get the supplier to remove old or take to a council recycling dump!

       Roger gave many examples of gas equivalents for replacements and he answered a host of questions with humour and knowledge, but basically blends of HydroFlouroOlefins (Modified HFC’s) which are MILDLY Flammable are the future!

       By MILDY Roger explained that these gasses only light with a hot flame, and do not support their self ie when the heat is removed the flame goes out and these are not Explosive, So providing the plant room and evaporator are well ventilated there is minor chance of major damage.

      The Meeting finished with thanks to Roger for his presentation and to Brendan for his continued work in finding excellent speakers

For more information look up A Gas (UK) Ltd web site www.agas.com or call 01275376600

On Thursday 8^th January 2015:

15 of our members met at the Greenwich Tavern for the first meeting of the year in our new venue.  We welcomed Mr Peter Dyment of Camfil Air Filtration Systems, who have their UKHQ and factory in Haslingden Lancashire.

  Peter gave a most informative talk on the Camfil company production and research over 50 years into providing top quality air filters for every industry from Medical, Scientific, and of course Refrigeration.  He explained how Low Energy Air Filters save on energy costs as well as providing improved air cleansing performance.

  This in real figures can be savings as much as £300 per year per individual filter in an air handling system! The payback time for such measures can be measured in one or two months. Therefore large plants with many Processing areas, Computer suites, Operating Theatres, Board Rooms etc all benefit with reduced energy and running costs, less down time and better indoor quality air.

  Peter told how London Street Air quality is very poor and maps were shown of air pollution concentrations mainly due to vehicle emissions. London Air is up to 300 times dirtier with fine combustion particle concentrations than the country side away from traffic emissions.

These invisible fine particles affect the lung performance then penetrate into the blood  stream, causing cancers and damage to vital body organs. Effective air filters provide the best protection for people inside buildings.

  For smaller buildings without a centralised air system the new Camcleaner air purifiers can offer fast a plug-in solution for cleaning air at an initial cost of about £10 per M3. These units have H13 Hepa filtration with molecular gas filtration to remove air pollutants such as Nitrogen dioxide to a high level of efficiency.

In heavy industry such as Oil rigs: sea salts can enter processes, and in Nuclear systems clean environments are obviously essential. Whilst bearings of precision  compressors will suffer if the smallest molecular contaminants enter bearings and controls. Etc.

Camfil provides a clean air solution for individual customers that can include filter optimisation, duct or coil cleaning, system validation, energy efficiency measures. AHU Intake and Chiller screens are often required.

  After our usual “half time tea break” Peter answered many varied questions. Our Chairman warmly thanked Peter and presented him with “full bottle” as a small token of appreciation.

 If you have a question of these about air filters please look up their comprehensive web site www.camfil.com  or email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. '; document.write(''); document.write(addy_text25928); document.write('<\/a>'); //-->\n This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

 Web site www.fairfieldtechnologies.co.uk  and    www.yellowjacket.co.uk

                        Our Next Meeting is a joint one with the Institute of Refrigeration on Thursday 4^th Dec 2014  
Venue Room 110 Roberts Building, University College London, Gower Street
Speaker John Clark MInstR and Angus Gillies MInstR
Oganiser IOR

 Subject     “Comparison of evaporative and air cooled condensers in industrial applications for design engineers

Please try and make this meeting,

Report on Our meeting on 9^th Oct 2014

    Mr  Warren Clark,  The project manager from Hitachi.

Our first meeting was on

10^th Sept. 2014  (WEDNESDAY – a one off !)  -  Roger Palamarczuk of  Humidity Solutions  - 

subject “De-humidification in low temperature environments”

Roger gave an excellent talk firstly on the reading of Psychometric Charts which was a great revision wake up to those attending, well especially to me!

He went on to explain the the removal of moisture from process air was a little more than "just refrigerating it" references when designing needs consideration of "Wet Bulb" " Dry Bulb" "Absolute Moisture" whether Humidity or Dehumidify, thickness of coils 3 pass or 8?  DX or Chilled Water, or even Desiccant Wheel, Sorption or amalgamation of all, and finally of course COST! which is when efficiency may be considered.

The processes in industry which need dehumidification systems range from Ship Building welding techniques, Computer rooms, Food production, Ice Rinks and audience space, Libraries and Art Storage, Frozen Food Storage, the list is endless.

If you need professional help please contact

Roger Palamarczuk at Humidity Solutions Ltd,

Humidity House,1140A  Axis, Cleeve Road, Leatherhead, Surrey, 

tele 08448221180            web www.humiditysoluti.ions.co.uk

After Rogers excellent talk he was surprised by Lee Freeman (our archivist!) who told us that this was Roger's 4th visit to LRS as a speaker in the last 30 years, a record!

After Roger left to catch his train we continued firstly to discuss  the past summer activity interval and our future program of speakers. We importantly collected annual subs at £15 per member (and new members always welcomed) debated a venue for our Christmas get together, and next years London walk topic.

RF

 recent article from ACR magazine

NEWS ITEM -  BEWARE , F-Gas outlaws are getting caught

19 May 2014

 At our final meeting of the season on April 10th.  We were lead by our London Blue Badge Guide "Stan the man" around Notting Hill Gate area of London, the numbers of attendees were down this year but as ever it was an informative and enjoyable walk finishing a a friendly hostelry.

We look forward to September for another 6 months of Refrigeration updates and companionship.

13^th March 2014   16 regular attending members gathered at Chimes Bar for our usual monthly meeting, but unfortunately our guest speaker and Hitachi had parted company and no replacement was found   this was not discovered until 7.15pm on the night. But as ever we coped firstly by asking each of  the attendees to give tips of the trade or just reminisce!

We started with car AC;  then differing gasses and their explosive qualities, Plant maintenance; secret military locations, disposal of redundant NH3 and Sulphur gases;  100 year old coldstores with cork and rats!! The recent RAC show which is sadly depleting in size; National Trust properties; Recent flood stories etc etc . etc

Folk didn’t get up and leave early so it couldn’t have been too bad.

We also suggested topics for Brendan to arrange next year: Can you suggest some or even have a favoured company or rep who would talk to us who are eager to keep up to date on refrigeration and akin topics?

Next month on the 10^th we have our walk around London Town   details not readily to hand yet but I will contact the regular attendees soon with an underground station to meet at with your loved ones (or wife even} for a hopefully warm dry night out which as ever will finish at a hostelry!

Thursday 6^th February 2014 REPORT on meeting in conjunction with the Institute of Refrigeration, at 33 Queen Street.

Are doors on fridges the best environmental solution for the retail sector?

3 members attended for a debate on the merits of the use of doors on Refrigerant Display Cabinets.

The meeting was preceded with refreshments of tea, coffee, sandwiches etc and a brief opportunity for networking.  The members were joined by some of the Institutes services section and students.

Opening with a general overview and various facts and the development of supermarket display, the chair for the evening, Ms. Judith Evans, introduced Mr. Alex Pitman of the Co-op and Mr. John Austin-Davies who led the discussion.

Mr. Alex Pitman spoke first, in favour of the doors being fitted, although making the case for their fitting during manufacturing rather retro-fitting; citing that the Co-op was ‘rolling out the fitting of doors in all their new stores and in those being refitted.   

Mr. John Austin-Davies then opposed this view, suggesting that with the improved case design, doors were almost unnecessary and that they impeded sales, limiting their value further.   

Both speakers suggested that the selection of tests for cooled cabinets showed sufficiently varied results, therefore, proving to not be completely reliable.  However, improvements to case design indicated 30%-80% energy savings; similar savings were available with fitted doors.  The limiting factor in all cases was the customer usage.   

It was pointed out that with lifecycle costing being considered more rather than just capital cost, the inclusion of doors may continue to get more support as the inherent benefits seem to gain when looked at in the long term.

The discussion was then opened to the floor, when your Chair, Malcolm Lay started by suggesting that the use of doors was purely academic as such a large proportion of sales went direct from the warehouse to the customer and that as this trend was increasing even display cases were becoming obsolescent.

Further debate covered the relative benefits of roller shutters, sliding and hinged doors as well as cooled rooms and recycled cooling

 A vote for the alternative options was called for and although close, with doors just won.

 January 2014 Meeting Report

Mark and Andrew entertained us - yes entertained the 16 members with their presentation into the world of national and international skill competitions ranging from Hair Dressing down to our specialist subject of Refrigeration nationally known as SkillFRIDGE. (the UK had 36 Skill trades represented internationally at the 2013 Worldskills event in Leipzig).

They began by each of our members reading part of a paper titled “ARE YOU READY TO PERFORM” which relaxed us all! So before starting any project in daily tasks we should consider 1^st Preparation, 2^nd Performance, 3^rd Planning and very importantly Reflection.

To take part in the Worldskills International Competitions; competitors must be younger than 23 in the year of the competition:- and it can take 3 years from nomination into the national SkillFRIDGE trials and regional competitions in order to be selected to represent the UK in refrigeration at the Worldskills International competition!  

At competition level, the marking assessment criteria is strict. The international test covers both refrigeration and air conditioning skills, the tasks are designed where design diagrams have to be interpreted, so that materials and components have to be fabricated, assembled, wired, tested to standards, and commissioned to ensure energy efficiency. There is also an electrical fault finding, and component replacement task and it all has to be performed in no more than 20hours total!

And if that wasn’t enough, all this is in front of the noisy public in huge exhibition halls - So no pressure!

The national SkillFRIDGE competition is very similar; it is a 12hour test and does not include air conditioning or component replacement, but nearly all the other skills needed to be a refrigeration engineer are covered (we don’t test competitors to tear down or rebuild compressors)!

In both national and international competitions, the test projects are pre announced with line drawings and a brief of what is expected during the competition, but no sizes, but then on the day 30% changes are announced that define the detail dimensions and operational parameters!

To enter the competitions, students are nominated by colleges, employers and training centres. Competitions can really improve individuals, even if they don’t come first, all competitors say they enjoyed the journey and learned real skills along the way that help them in the job and ultimately their employer! competitors are out of their comfort zones and often have to problem solve, but by entering, all competitors can go for a ‘performance excellence’ qualification, which can be earned right through to degree level for the very best international competitor.

These competitions are all about raising the standards nationally and globally. There are training grants available for the international competitors, but not for the SkillFRIDGE competition, there is therefore a need for industry/company support and sponsorship, and it was said that if all companies in the industry sponsored £100 each year to help in accommodation, fares etc, the SkillFRIDGE competitions could have a secure future!!

Much discussion Questions and Answers followed this educational and enjoyable evening over the traditional glass of beverage. Mark then had to beat a hasty retreat to get the last train to Manchester, Andy being a local lad guided Mark to Pimlico tube station.

The meeting continued,where we discussing our banking arrangements, Our next London Walk and the February meeting to be held jointly with the IOR

No December 2013 meeting .... But regulars got together prior to Christmas which went well,  26 gathered for a 4 course meal at Chimes, along with a few silly quiz questions.  An enjoyable evening  

Now Mick Warren sends this warning note

"Hello Ron happy new year to you all , Mum and I are doing ok. Pass this message out about the dangers of R600, do`nt get complacent -- I was working with some yesterday and a spark from the vac pump on/off switch ignited some and blew everything up, I was not badly hurt but customer did not like having his kitchen blown up, Michael"

Our meeting on Thursday 14^th Nov 2013

was attended by 13 members had a meeting to discuss  energy costings. Our speaker no longer has contacts so this report has been removed to save fruitless calls to the company, Thank you

After a  beer and discussion Keith Sweatman of Airedales gave us an update on the fire which devastated their production works and offices in West Yorkshire, He explained how the 400 employees had pulled together to get a major part of the works up and running again. Their parent company and Insurers really got together to finance the restoration, and hopefully full production will by January 2014

Again he thanked all who supported Airedales and if you need any help from them call their HQ via 01132391000 www.airedale.com

Our next meeting is in December for our regular members who know who they are.

So the following meeting will be an open one for all  in our trade on

Thursday 9th January  on"World Skills Standard Specifications for RAC"

OCTOBER 10th 2013

Report on 

On Thursday 12^th Sept we had our first meeting of the season where KR Associates instructed us on their skills.   Director Mr John Eastwood and  Laser Scanning Consultant Mr Rhys Lupton gave a presentation of their electronic scanning and measurement devices for site analysing. (This can be an internal area or external application)

Their very modern “camera” takes millions of images around 180 degrees in about 10 minutes   The equipment is then repositioned several times and the location re-measured. Their computer system then combines these multi pictures to give a 3D image of the location giving dimensions in any plane.  

 These can be then be analysed to see suitability for site redevelopment, possible noise penetration, visual objections, and where to site plant landscaping etc etc.

KR offer Acoustic consultations, to all the large Supermarket groups as well as site evaluations, where all information is available on the cloud for individual locations can use remote conferencing for instant decisions.

As you can guess much discussion was generated from this very interesting evening.

“Noise is our business.  Since 2003 we have worked closely with companies across an array of business sectors, helping them to appreciate and deal with their noise issues. 

Our understanding of the science of sound is deep, our knowledge of the issues noise can cause in the real world unparalleled and our track record in successful noise issue resolution unrivalled. 

We are dedicated to a quality of customer service unmatched in our industry and we are ready to listen to - and understand - your needs.” 

KR Associates are at 2 Vancouver Wharf, Hazel Road, Southampton SO19 7BN 

call 02380550455    www.kra.uk.com email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

August 2013

Our new Season of meetings begin on Thursday Sept 12th   please look up ourCalandar page for latest details 

Dear friends in refrigeration, 

I regret to inform you that member Russ Nicholson  passed away last month,  his committal was on Thursday 11th July 2013

Russ lived in China in recent years after serving many years with Carter Refrigeration at their London Offices, he kept in touch via emails, talking of life in China along with topics of the day and risqué jokes which I never dare pass on,  May he rest in peace.. RAF 

London Refrigeration Society

Meeting of 14^th March 2013 at Chimes Wine Bar

13 attended the discussion “What is the Industries Future” lead by Mr Andrew Gaved Editor of RAC magazine.

Where is our Industry going? With new developments in technology are we going too fast or should we improve what we already have?  Do our engineers get enough training?  Should we just improve our gas tightness and contain these “horrible” substances?

Andrew told of the Cass Business School who had discovered after studying Formula One Racing Cars the fascinating fact that ‘too much advanced technology actually harms performance.” He suggested this could be equally true of refrigeration? Are we developing new systems and not trialling them thoroughly? References were made by the group to several catastrophic failures in systems that blew joints, exploded, had partial shut downs, or were topped up with non-compatible substances! Was this because the technology had been brought in before the industry, particularly the engineers, were thoroughly prepared for it?

Do development managers and end user managers agree on time lines, or are they pushing too fast? Is it cost or quality that decides progress? The Cass Business School concluded that ‘adapting current technology may be a better route than continually finding new solutions’.

One of the ways that we could be doing this, Andrew suggested is with HFOs - Hydro Fluoro Olefins which have a very short atmospheric life time and have a reduction in global warming potential for all production manufactures. They are new refrigerants, but they are designed to be used in the same way as HFCs, which means adaptation, not radical change.

We discussed car AC  where the car manufactures had all agreed to use these HFOs to meet the European directive, but now the Germans had dissented, because they really want to use CO2. But there are problems of CO2 in hot ambient weather systems where pressures rise dramatically. It was said that AC in a car decreases effective output by 4/5 HP . Will the Germans only sell their cars in colder countries in future?

We also talked about the popular supermarkets’ progress in introducing carbon dioxide to their systems and their varied success, but I will not mention names   You should have come and joined in the lively debate.  Andrew provocatively suggested that anyone working on refrigeration would need to learn about CO2 in the next five to ten years.

Should we reinvent the wheel and will employers really commit to real training?

We need Gentle Evolution not Violent Revolution. As the Cass researchers said, we must move ‘fast but not too fast.’  Yes all clichés I know, but as the guys on the sharp end of the industry we need answers very soon.

We thanked Andrew (and ourselves) for a very lively debate and an interesting meeting.

Ron Filer

Normal 0 For cooling news every day, together with industry information, practical guidance and forward features,

visit: www.racplus.com         The RAC edotor Mr Andrew Gaved

February 7th 2013

Meeting of the LRS

for a presentation by WELLERS ACCOUNTANTS 

via Mr Richard Payne or Mr Joe Lennon

 London SW1P 2PN

 020 7630 6665

www.wellersaccountants.co
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Our Jan 10th meeting was conducted by Mitsubishi Electric Ltd

If you want to hear it first   Join the LRS!  Click the box below for this month's report   Ron

Read more: February 7th 2013

Dec 13th 2012

 December 13th 2012

11 members attended for a presentation by James Whale of Testo Limited on Measurement Solutions for Refrigerant Engineering.

Chair. Malcolm Lay      Meetings Organiser. Brendan O’Rielly

Read more: Dec 13th 2012

November 15th 2012

Mr Derek Moore of Johnson Controls division of Sabroe

Read more: November 15th 2012

October 11th 2012

Regretfully our planned speaker was unable to attend, but our chairman Malcolm introduced a resume of the past year which I list below.......

LRS Chairman’s Statement for the year ending April 2012

Read more: October 11th 2012

September 13th 2012

The Season has begun with our first meeting on September 13th, at Chimes Bar.

We welcomed Mr Howard Nobble of FSW LTD. who gave a most interesting and informative talk on REFLOK AC&R solutions "compression fittings with Aluminium tube" for the refrigeration industry.

Read more: September 13th 2012

April 13th 2012

Report on our Annual Walk around "St Ratfords" Olympic Park

Thursday 12th April found a depleted group of regulars assembling at Leyton underground station

Read more: April 13th 2012

March 8th 2012

LRS REPORT on meeting held at Chimes Wine and Cider Bar Pimlico

16 members attended for a presentation by Steve Zimmerman of

 micronics on Flow Measurement. 

Read more: March 8th 2012

February 2012

LRS meeting for February

had to be postponed as our speaker was unavailable.

The regular attendees got together with their other halves for a "pie and a pint", most enjoyable!